Yellow circles and art


33. A thing contains infinitely more information than its image.
yellow dot
Deze gele stip is aanduiding van een wandelroute in Denemarken.
Misschien noem je dit kunst?
Welke argumenten zou je aanvoeren om te onderbouwen dat je dit kunst noemt?

This yellow point is a mark for hiking in Danemark
Een gele stip is geen kunst? Of wel?
A yellow circle is not Art, or is it?

laszlo-moholy-nagy, yellow circle

These blogposts are about art. Alan Levine shouts “make art damnit” but what does he want? I want to make art that is why I want to know what is art.

Deze blog posts gaan over kunst. Alan Levine blaft “make art damnit” Maar wat bedoelt hij daarmee? Ik wil kunst maken, daarom wil ik weten wat kunst is.

stoelenDeze foto heb ik gemaakt van een object in de beeldentuin van Kasteel Nijenhuis, Museum de Fundatie in Heino (Overijssel)
De beeldentuin is mooi aangelegd in verschillende tuin stijlen. Dit object staat in een formele strakke tuin.
(Johan van Velsen, 1949, Twee witte stoelen, metaal hout)

I took this picture in Museum de Fundatie in Heino (Overijssel). The sculpture garden has different garden styles. This object is in the part with a formal style in squares.
(Johan van Velsen, 1949, Two white chairs, metal wood)

Bij dit object dringt de vraag zich op wat de status is van het werk. Is het kunst?
Kennelijk maakt het verschil of de twee witte stoelen in een museumtuin staan (daar zijn ze kunst) of ergens op een dorpsterrasje (daar zouden ze meubel zijn).

Is this Art?
The place where the objects are viewed seems to make a difference. Here in the museum garden the object could be Art. And the object would just be furniture in the village sidewalk café

These blogposts are about art. Alan Levine shouts “make art damnit” but what does he want? I want to make art that is why I want to know what is art.

Deze blog posts gaan over kunst. Alan Levine blaft “make art damnit” Maar wat bedoelt hij daarmee? Ik wil kunst maken, daarom wil ik weten wat kunst is.

Moet je weten wat kunst is om kunst te maken? In zekere zin moet je dat weten, maar de filosofie van de kunst zal je daarbij niet helpen.

Theory of art is not a guide to making art. But should one know what is art to make art? In some sense you want to know what Art is.

(Johan van Velsen is een pseudoniem / a pseudonym)

An apple of course. Welk verhaal begon er toch met een appel?

appel Once upon a time an apple got into a story. (Some say it was some fruit, we do not fight about that) This apple is in paintings and fresco’s and book illustration. Quit some apple that one.
But the apple in the picture is just an apple. Grown on a tree and fallen in the grass.
The picture could be art, but the apple is it art?
De appel is geen kunst, die is zo van de boom gevallen. (niet gemaakt door iemand, is dat een reden om iets “geen kunst” te noemen?)
De foto zou wel kunst kunnen zijn? Maar hier bedoel ik niet de foto maar de appel zelf.
Is een “origineel” geen kunst maar de afbeelding wel?

Some apples in art:

(Rotterdam, Kees Franse 1924-1982, Appels)

Apple @ Schiphol Airport

(Schiphol airport Amsterdam NL)

These blogposts are about art. Alan Levine shouts make art damnit” but what does he want? I want to make art that is why I want to know what is art.
Deze blog posts gaan over kunst. Alan Levine blaft “make art damnit” Maar wat bedoelt hij daarmee? Ik wil kunst maken, daarom wil ik weten wat kunst is.

After the camp fire #rhizo14

kampvuura. Comment on your reasons for joining #rhizo14, your level of participation and your experiences of the “course”.
Wanted to know more about rhizome in pedagogics. Fascinating subject, lots of people are looking for better education.
Reconnect to mooc people of other moocs.
Stay in tune with new types of mooc.
Wanted to know more about rhizomatic learning.
Continuing the course also because of social structure and processes in the group. Could one say: When content is more unsure and fuzzy, than social processes tend to become more intense?
I could not tell what is rhizomatic learning in one sentence. If you need more than one sentence to tell someone what you are talking about than some more thinking is needed.

b. Comment on your experiences of inclusion/exclusion in this community
Start was very inclusive.
Did meet some very nice people, enjoyed doing the course.
Tried to discuss critically this rhizomatic learning thing, I guess cultural and language difficulties did not help here. Got not too much critical answers.
Too much inclusion does not foster debate. I prefer some more resistance and discussion. The social processes in the groups (lots of likes and love and friendliness) prevented a more critical attitude in general? Or  is this a cultural divide?

About rhizomatic learning: The idea of Rhiz Learning  seems to be an attempt to change school pedagogics. Outside school and outside formal courses learning most of time is not well defined and not embedded in authoritarian structures. That informal could be called rhizomatic learning. But I still doubt if the word rhizomatic does add anything to the definition of (non-school or formal) learning. (Ockhams razor comes in mind, Entia non sunt praeter necessitatem multiplicanda)

My question ” Is auto etnography scientificly sound? Self report in psychology is low level research, how about etnography? ” is a methodological question.

Community my curriculum? #rhizo14

hurkendeman(Hurkende man, Antony Gormley, Lelystad, 25 meter hoog)

Just to start with some questions on the subject of this week of rhizo14.

Now i am thinking about Bricolage and deconstruction and de-noun-ification of the question. But that need some time.

Is the Community or the  individual the client for a MOOC or Course?  Do We  Groupe Rhizo14 have a curriculum, do sub-groups have one, or has every participant a curriculum? Do we make our own group- or individual- curriculum?
Is an online course a group or community? Is a  classroom with students a group or community?  Why define a number of participants in an educational setting as a  group/community? Heli Nurmi will write about community. In #rhizo14 we did discuss the community in depth:

now, i get that even two students who sit next to each other in a f2f course may have completely different perceptions, mental maps, and experiences of the class and who and what counts in that class, and may never speak to each other. but still that proximity marks them as members of the same thing. what i’m wondering is, without a single common space by which to mark off belonging or to become familiar with each other, at least nominally, can we call #rhizo14 a community? i’ve seen a number of you use the term community…do you mean the course, or the FB group? does your answer vary depending on how distributed your own engagement is? (Bonnie Steward FB)

What social contract do we have? What are our expectations, what do we want? How do we support? What do we need? (Mariana Funes).

Is the curriculum growing and changing, or is it static? Has it to be? Should it be? Where is the end?

the or one? the curriculum or one in  a collection, a list of subjects, questions?

Curriculum a guide to a future or a log of our travels? Map into unknown lands or our history put on a map? In Dutch we use ‘leerplan’.
Is it made by the power of the majority? Is it a menu and I can just choose the nice bits? Is a curriculum necessary for teaching or is it a must for learning? What do we expect to learn from rhizo14?

Currriculum vitea?

Culture and language


Hofstede’s cultural dimensions theory has in my opinion a connection with language. (answer for @Chris2B in comment on previous post.)

  • Power distance. In the Netherlands teacher and student are not in different worlds. If the teacher is wrong, students will tell him. Language differences as a sign of class differences do not fit into low power distance culture. Spoken language and written language are not very divergent. Dutch students do not need to learn ‘upper-class academic’ language to write an essay.
  • Individualism. Being different is not a (big) problem. Teacher could admit not to know an answer. Dutch students are not afraid to try to speak foreign languages. They are not afraid of mistakes. (I am an example of that)
  • Masculinity/femininity. Feminity  is  about care and not about masculine competition according to Hofstede. Trying to be the best is not a common trait in Dutch students.

In culture with low power distance and high individualism rules do change almost at will.
Members of different cultures have divergent views on Incidents and differences of opinion in a community.
Rules on how to write an essay are very important and common in USA (and other countries). In the Netherlands content and process are more important than format and style.
Should a blogger need to know more about Cultural Competences or CQ?

Rhizomatic nature of dependency, last words


Birds are used in poetical metaphors about independency and freedom. But as the world is rhizomatic and ecological, and as anything is rhizomatically connected to everything, nothing, no bird, no student is ever independent.
Does this mean independent is a useless word, because it is a non-existent concept?
Or is independence a “relation word”, a word which always has to be used in a description of a relation?
“She is very independent of her parents.”
“He is dependent of drugs.”
“Our objective is to foster

the focus for many this week has not been on the suggested topic – ‘Enforcing Independence’ – but on perceived divisions within the community. For me, this is what has made it feel so ‘messy’.
(Jenny Mackness)
I tried to post this comment to Jenny’s blog. But Blogger and WordPress do not want to live in peace, so commenting is not easy. So here is a comment on Jenny’s blog:
Even a post on group roles is about independence. People in a mooc do engage, do response, and in this way make themselves dependent of mooc-mates.
Dependence is a relations-word. Dependence is related to another person or group, or anything. If we are talking about forcing a person into independence, we should ask independence of what..?

photo: canal (Engelenfaert) in Heerenveen,

Rhizomatic on group roles and functions

EdamWrite a blog post on social aspects of mooc.
In Wikipedia is a nice short description of Belbins group roles:

Plant: A creative, imaginative, unorthodox team-member who solves difficult problems. Although they sometimes situate themselves far from the other team members, they always come back to present their brilliant idea.
Resource Investigator: The “Resource Investigator” is the networker for the group. Whatever the team needs, the Resource Investigator is likely to have someone in their address book who can either provide it or know someone else who can provide it. Being highly driven to make connections with people, Explores opportunities, make contacts, shares external information
The “Chairman/Co-ordinator” ensures that all members of the team are able to contribute to discussions and decisions of the team. Their concern is for fairness and equity among team members. Clarifies goals; helps allocate roles, responsibilities, and duties; articulates group conclusions
Shaper: A dynamic team-member who loves a challenge and thrives on pressure. . Seeks patterns in group work; pushes group toward agreement and decisions; challenges others
Monitor-Evaluator: A sober, strategic and discerning member, who tries to see all options and judge accurately. This member contributes a measured and dispassionate analysis and, through objectivity, stops the team committing itself to a misguided task. Analyzes problems and complex issues; monitors progress and prevents mistakes; assesses the contributions of others; sees all options; judges accurately
The “Team Worker” is concerned to ensure that interpersonal relationships within the team are maintained. They are sensitive to atmospheres and may be the first to approach another team member who feels slighted, excluded or otherwise attacked but has not expressed their discomfort. Gives personal support and help to others; socially oriented and sensitive to others;
The “Implementer” is the practical thinker who can create systems and processes that will produce what the team wants. Taking a problem and working out how it can be practically addressed is their strength.
The “Completer Finisher” is the detail person within the team. They have a great eye for spotting flaws and gaps and for knowing exactly where the team is in relation to its schedule.
Specialistwho brings ‘specialist’ knowledge to the team. Single-minded, self-starting, dedicated; provides unique or rare expertise and skills.
More and different group roles do exist.
Group roles are not an analytical instrument, but a management or training aid.
More than one group (team) roles can be found in one human.
We could label some roles as task-roles, some are process-roles, some are people-roles, etc.
In a healthy group most roles are present.

The participants of a mooc are they a group? or just a loose sample of individuals?
Is it possible to recognize group roles in a mooc, when a mooc is not a group? If the participants of a mooc are (part of) rhizome, group roles are life functions of the rhizome?

Does a healty cMOOC need ‘group roles’?

Social psychology predicts some phases in the development of a group. (for short overview: Wikipedia)

I just wish we did not throw around the ‘community’ label so freely. Community takes work and commitment to having tough conversations. The process of naming something does not make it so. Online groups can be seen as a culture and there are different dimensions in which cultures differ:   ()

I did a blog on teacher roles in a mooc with a different list of qualities in participants in a mooc.
Image: Edam bridge.

Rogers independence

kabouterIn humanistiek education a student is the final judge of his own work en where the individual has to take the responsibility for deciding what criteria are important to him. (Janet Gale from a book Independent Learning in Higher Education (1984). ) via

The informal learner is the sole judge of his work, with some help of friends or others.

Rogers 1969: a blogpost on that

In most countries government does want to introduce a national curriculum. And these governments do want students to be more innovative and creative. In communist countries central planning led to disaster, now central planning is the new educational hype in the western world.

And governments want to test and measure results of schools.  Innovative and creative teachers are leaving classrooms. Students are not encouraged to be their own judges and to assess their own work in a school with a national curriculum and testing.

Informal learning and rhizomatic learning?